Summary
Social media influencers are fuelling a rise in misogyny and sexism in the UK’s classrooms, according to teachers.
More than 5,800 teachers were polled… and nearly three in five (59%) said they believe social media use has contributed to a deterioration in pupils’ behaviour.
One teacher said she’d had 10-year-old boys “refuse to speak to [her]…because [she is] a woman”. Another said “the Andrew Tate phenomena had a huge impact on how [pupils] interacted with females and males they did not see as ‘masculine’”.
“There is an urgent need for concerted action… to safeguard all children and young people from the dangerous influence of far-right populists and extremists.”
If that is where America is heading, to some theocracy like Iran and where men see women as chattel, then I would rather raise children elsewhere there is a culture of empathy.
Some of you need more empathy. These are children whose insecurities are being exploited for profit. Be mad at their parents, and be mad at figures like Andrew Tate. But these are children and they deserve more grace than that.
I know it’ll come across as an unpopular opinion, but some of them just need their ass kicked. Literally went to high school with a kid who was insufferable, a prick to everyone. One day he started bullying one of my buddies who proceeded to beat the shit out of him. He told his football coach he ran into a mailbox on his bike when he had to explain his face looking like it did. After that he was the nicest kid ever - he realized “being tough” wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. I guarantee a few of these kids just need to get punched in the face one time and they’ll start rethinking the “alpha male” ideology.
Beating children into submission might be convenient for you, but its almost certainly not the correct way to handle the situation.
It is extremely effective at making sure people behave the proper way. It’s the same philosophy behind small, weak prey being scared of big, strong predators.
The funny thing is that people like Tate would be the first to be eaten when the world ends lol
Fine, just fail them. This is a problem for the parents to address. And if the parents refuse, then they can enjoy having a child who lives off of benefits and aspires to be an “influencer”. Lol.
You don’t actually need to talk to the teacher to pass a class in most cases.
I don’t think the kids doing this are doing well in school anyways, but it is possible to never say a word and still get an A from your schoolwork.
Dude, I never cared who my teachers were, so long as they weren’t jerks. Even then, I got over it.
Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.
That is quite a worrying statistic: 41% of young men endorsing a human-trafficking misogynist rapist.
It’s even more insane that young women (!!) support a misogynic douchbag. What’s wrong with them?
Sounds like the Lizardman Constant at work again!:
https://gwern.net/doc/sociology/survey/lizardman/indexLet’s hope that that’s it!
See, the thing is, these are all allegations. It won’t be proven until his trial in 2027 whether he did any of those things or not (well okay, apart from the misogyny thing, he’s admitting that one loud and proud). Despite the fact, he’s had money and assets ceased and was sent to jail, which goes against some pretty fundamental values that many people are taught growing up (e.g. Innocent until proven guilty). So I can definitely see how many non-misogynists or even feminists would be on Tate’s side even if they disagree with his messaging.
What is interesting is how non-vocal many of these “concerned citizens” are when the criminal justice system does the same thing to normal people. It is why I have a difficult time believing the concern is really about justice and due process in many cases.
can you blame boys for aspiring to this
You don’t need to resort to body shaming to shit on him
yes I do. what I don’t need is wokescolds today thank you
King of all the chinless chuds.
The kind of people that think Tate is a hero should be snuffed out lol
We’re in for a very, very stupid future.
Idiocracy isn’t just a great movie that holds up, it’s a accurate depiction of the future and it has electrolytes, it’s what plants crave
looks around
… the future is now.
In 10 years, it seems we not only gave up our own nations’ dreams of equality and union, but lustfully decided to lick the boots of those telling us our dreams aren’t worth having. It doesn’t help that the self-proclaimed “leader of the free world” is a known rapist who cuts deals with the Taliban at the expense of women’s liberties.
Its also just kinda gay. Wanting a man to dominate everything you do is just gay
I remember in the first few years after 9/11 when you had Islamophobes talking about Islamic radicalism and comparing western culture to Islamic culture in what was, retrospectively, the most arrogant and extremely naieve view imaginable. Basically envisioning the entirety of the west in the late 90s and early 2000s as the west always being like that and the then status quo was done via some philosophical debate and innate characteristics instead of whatever was politically and economically convenient at the time.
I wonder where those people are today? Seeing just how legit fragile their whole order really was and how quickly it is unraveling.
So? You get a F, you get a F, you get a F…
Why do you think handing out massive numbers of "F"s will change these kids’ behavior?
That might work when there’s only a few kids screwing up and there’s social pressure on them to change for the better, but right now the social pressure is going in the opposite direction because of people like Tate. The boys will just say they’re getting "F"s because teachers/women/“liberal educators”/whoever just hate boys and masculinity, and people like Tate will validate their views there.
I get that the idea of flunking these kids to “teach them a lesson and show them how wrong they are” might provide a nice, satisfying dopamine hit to you in the moment, but all it’s going to do is make the problem worse.
“That fucking stupid bitch woman teacher gave me an F because (insert misogynistic mental gymnastics to make it her fault for being female here)”
“That’s what you get when you don’t talk with your teachers and spend your time on social media, dumbass!”
when i was in school, for that i’d get sent to the principals office, then suspended, and if i kept it up, expelled….
Sometimes I wonder if the Internet should only be allowed for people 21 or 25 years or older.
21 is the new 16… 25 is the new 21.
But… At the same time older adults are extremely dumb too.
But giving a young person access to the Internet is like letting them walk NYC alone at night during the 70s.
Ever since Facebook and 9/11 the Internet has been kind of awful.
Honestly, at this point, I’m on board with just banning social media algorithms entirely. No more personalized feeds. You can have a website that publishes whatever you want, but you can’t tailor individual feeds to individual people. People can replace their “feed” with what the original internet was meant to be - visiting a series of websites. Want to read nothing but right wing blogs? Fine. You can spend all day navigating to different URLs for them. But no more spoon feeding individually personalized content to people.
It turns out that method of content delivery is just a very dangerous and damaging technology that really fucks with the workings of the human mind. If you tell AI to build an ideal feed model for a person, it builds a nightmare that traps human beings in skinner boxes.
We can ban these algorithms. We don’t have to continue to tolerate their existence. And in the grand scheme of history, it would be no different than a thousand other things that we discovered, at first thought was a panacea, but eventually decided the benefits weren’t worth the costs. Asbestos is a fantastic fireproof insulator, but we willingly let those benefits go in lieu of its severe respiratory effects. DDT is an incredible pest killer and insecticide, but it also was rendering entire species of birds extinct. Targeted, individually tailored social media algorithms create entertainment feeds that can entertain us to such degrees that the kings of old would lament their jesters in comparison. But what these algorithms are doing to us, what they are doing to our society? On political polarization? The effects they are having not just on children, but of people of all ages? We as a society need to recognize that the benefits just aren’t worth the costs. We are tearing our civilization apart for the sake of cheap entertainment.
We need to ban targeted social media feeds. We have faced technologies like this before. We have made the choice before to give up the benefits of these things for the sake of the greater good. We’ve done it before, and we can do it again. It is time we ban targeted social media feeds.
This is probably the most normal fix. I was going to say publicly hang the people… But this is probably a better idea.
is like letting them walk NYC alone at night during the 70s.
One can get smart doing such—at times very quickly.
The same thing could be said about throwing a ouch at tiger inside of of a cage.
Dude, we’re all stupid. We are all effected by the Internet and propaganda algorithms. We are not superior, most of us just don’t realise we’re programmed. Exactly the same as Gen Alpha, Zoomers, Gen X and Boomers. We’re all profiled and we all see how everyone else is a victim of indoctrination. That’s how this works, social engineering innit?
Facebook was tame.
It’s twitter, reddit, instagram, and tiktok that really set people off. They just weren’t prepared to handle the forces at play when you let people communicate with no accountability.
Glad I grew up realizing that most people on the internet are just losers who can’t function in the real world so they use the digital space as a crutch.
Really makes it easier to deal with the hysteria, apathy, narcissism, insecurity, and cognitive dissonance I see from many users.
I don’t mean that about Facebook. Facebook transitioned the Internet from being a cyber ecosystem of absolute freedom and anonymity where people existed freely with expression to a an extension of non-cyber life, I feel like people understood the internet was place where people were free, because it wasn’t real. The internet was not real life and that was almost universally agreed upon. After facebook the Internet became a place connected to real life identity and it became a base standard. …I think this helped create the real-world enshitification of our physical social communities. The transition to the idea that the Internet is real life is something that wasn’t talked about or agreed about.
The problem is that parents - apparently - have no interest in educating their children anymore. They just place their kids in front of a PC or give them an iPad so they can watch TV or something.
Forbidding people from accessing the internet is going to raise a generation of children unfamiliar with it and then drifting off completely. Just look at the NK soldiers when they were shipped to russia and first had access to the internet. Half of them became porn addicts.
And also educating themselves. The kids will learn stuff, including slang, memes and concepts that are unknown to parents that don’t spend as much time on these platforms. So they won’t even recognize problematic ideas.
Yes, because they think “I’m too old I don’t understand that anyways.”. That’s what my grandmother says when she needs her PC fixed, “I’m too old I don’t have to know that.” - well, guess what, if you call me every week for a problem that you could’ve fixed yourself by googling 3 minutes, it’s probably not a bad idea to learn it.
Parents are responsible for their kids, and they should be learning what their child is doing and understanding it so they can intervene if shit goes south.
Parents should do a lot of things that they won’t because they are trapped in a stupid cycle of ‘it was good enough for me its good enough for them.’
The problem is unfettered access, not access at all.
Forums with paywalls have always been way more civil so I agree.
I can really recommend the mini series Adolesence on Netflix (or wherever) to get a great, dramatized example of how this effect looks like.
I think about just how many shitty fathers these kids have, most of them in the maga cult that are lapping up the likes of Carlson and Peterson’s lessons on red pilled bullshit and condoning the behavior of their kids (albeit from a notably absent distance).
If their dads are so shitty, how come they got to have kids?
Who keeps having sex with these awful men and enabling their toxicity?
Just proves he attracts the immature mind
Uhh, I mean, yes. But that’s not the big own you think it is. He is SPECIFICALLY targeting children. It’s the entire basis of his grift.
