• ikidd@lemmy.world
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    Well, that’s hardly a good excuse for pawning JD Vance off on some flunky. Seriously, popes these days…

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    Do other religions go to such great lengths to cover this kind of news? Like would we see the same for the Dalai Lama?

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      Yes. Even for non-Catholics it’s notable because the Pope has so much influence in Christendom.

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      It should be a big deal when he does since he’ll be the last one because China kidnapped the successor

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        China disappeared the Panchen Lama, the second-most important religious figure in Tibetan Buddhism, and replaced him with a China-selected puppet.

        But the Panchen Lama is not the successor to the Dalai Lama. The whole point is that the Dalai Lama will be reincarnated when he dies, so his successor isn’t born yet.

        The Dalai Lama recently proclaimed that his successor will be born in the free nations outside China - allowing him to be born, say, among the substantial Tibetan refugee populations in Nepal or India.

        However, it’s a near-certainty that China will select its own successor from a family loyal to the CCP, and from within China-controlled Tibet, while Tibetans outside the country will likely recognize another.

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      Political extremists aren’t always the best at differentiating between correlation and causation. Let’s see how this plays out.

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    Guys. Joe Biden is Catholic. The Vatican has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.

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      They are really unlikely to support a non cleric. All the decision makers sacrificed a lot of typical life time activities to be clerics, they aren’t going to lift up sometime who hasn’t also made these sacrifices.

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        I didn’t say they would. I said they could. Jokes aside, I would be VERY surprised if old Joe got picked for this, both for the reasons you mentioned and because of the decline he’s been going through recently.

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      It’s a funny thought, but he’s not a cardinal or even a priest. Not just any Catholic can be Pope.

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        Uhm, pretty sure being a baptized Catholic is pretty much the only requirement…

        From Wikipedia:

        The pope does not need to be a cardinal elector or indeed a cardinal; since the pope is the bishop of Rome, only those who can be ordained a bishop can be elected, which means that any male baptized Catholic is eligible.

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        Actually officially any male catholic can be pope, it’s just in practice cardinals always choose one of their own

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        They once made a monk Pope I know, I’m not sure if he was also a priest. Certainly wasn’t a cardinal though I think that was one of the arguments in favor of him.

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    He was like man this guy sucks, I don’t want to live in a world where this guy has power, then dies. I feel the same dude…

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    Gfdi. I’m not religious, but knowing that Catholics are going to choose a new Pope, I can only look forward to more bad news of comformity to godawful world news in the form of a shitty New Pope who inspires and empowers all the shitty people.

    Great, one more thing to make the world even worse.

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      My sincere hope is that the Catholic Church looks at how they were perceived under Benedict—a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance; and how they were perceived under Francis—an actually compassionate and humble servant of the Church and its people. And based on that, they choose another Pope who’s in the same vein as Francis to continue bringing the Church into this century. There is still decades of work to be done, but we absolutely can’t go backwards right now.

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        a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance

        Pretty sure this is because of JP2 playing whack-a-mole with pedophiles up and down his entire chain of command - shuffling them around and fucking lying about it for decades - then handing the grenade to Benedict. Remember: The Boston Globe blew it open in 2002, JP2 died in 2005.

        Can’t believe he was fast track canonized. Ridiculous.

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        Frances said some good stuff but did he do anything meaningful to bring the church into this century

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      There’s some hope… part of Francis’ papacy involved him promoting more open-minded cardinals (who are the ones who choose popes) but we’ll see

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      Im waiting for all the articles whe we he said something nice about gay people, so hes super progressive and we should be nice to the church cause they like us

      Only to go to the comments where someone points out the next sentence he said was we are still going to hell

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        They’re the ones that invented hell in the first place. That’s being the gatekeeper of your own imaginative fuck-you land, you can do whatever you want since it doesn’t even exist in the first place.

        Oh hey if you beat your children and don’t support people that support trans people you’re going to urusjsttisstiidtiyd after you die and it sucks and people punch you in the face and it smells like shit and jd vance sticks his fingers in your mouth randomly and it’s all the worst stuff you can imagine and it curses your family forever and if you do support trans people with everything and don’t worry i can read your thoughts i mean the super powerful all powerful everywhere all the time in everything force person called odyysiid5tditkxhck can read your thoughts and knows if you’re being bad or even considering it or thinking about anything bad.

        ^ religion, my new one that you should follow, also you go to the good place where all your dreams come true and you can be with all your loved ones forever and there’s all the things you want trust me bro you want this and not the bad forever ending. It’s called RaulingSucksDurt-ism and it’s real and all the other religions aren’t real and they’re all actually going to urusjsttisstiidtiyd for not even believing. The best thing you can do actually is to show them the light and save them from urusjsttisstiidtiyd because that’s bad and you want to be good right? The other religions just lie to you and it’s actually the leader of urusjsttisstiidtiyd whispering in their ear and they’re all victims bro, help them bro before it’s too late, they’re all bad bro help them with your love

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      I think with the current zeitgeist we’re in for a Battle Pope this time.

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        Battle Pope! With flying “Rocket Papal Punch” action! Only $12.25 at your nearest Vatican.

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    Looks like it’s time for another pope race. I would like to throw my hat in the ring. As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who’s never so much as visited a seminary, I know I’m an unorthodox choice. But maybe it’s time to mix things up. My central campaign planks? We’re going to bring back indulgences and try to make the Papal States a thing again. Also, expect skits and improv sessions to have a big place in Catholic mass in the future!

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      “As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who’s never so much as visited a seminary, I know I’m an unorthodox choice.”

      As someone in the same position good luck

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        As new Pope, I promise to repeat the Cadaver Synod. I promise to dig up the corpse of Pope Benedict XVI and put him on trial for his homophobia and transphobia! And I may not stop at him…I may have to set up a whole special court just for putting former popes on trial.

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      Your candidacy would put the Church in quite a predicament, for sure. They could either embrace a trans woman as a leader (confirming that there’s nothing wrong with trans people) or reject her for being a woman (therefore admitting that one can, in fact, change their gender).

      Of course, this is a false dichotomy, but a good PR team could spin it as a human rights win either way.

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            I promise to spend the entire papacy dressed in dresses that look like they belong in the White Tower scenes in the Wheel of Time series.

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        This, in the Catholic Church, transwomen actually do count as women. Recent ruling, they’re against “Gender Ideology”, whatever the fuck that means, but make exceptions for transpeople due to Francis ruling gender dysphoria a geniune medical issue that is exempt from rules against whatever “Gender Ideology” is

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        Without going into spoilery details, the film Conclave raised a very interesting question about pope eligibility. Recommend checking it out, not just for the topical relevance but also simply because it’s a good movie.

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      For the time he had, the distance he brought the Church is pretty impressive. I will go to my grave believing that organized religion does more harm than good, nothing they ever do will change my mind. That said, he really was an agent for positive change, especially compared to Darth Benedict, who preceded him.

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      Some gold from that document:

      In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.

      Would be funny to make a quote collection titled “Who said this? Pope Francis or a socialist?”