• Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
    331·
    1 day ago

    I think it’s important to downvote them and even make them feel unwelcome. You can’t let Nazis and white supremacists in your communities because any community that doesn’t kick out Nazis will eventually find itself overrun by Nazis fleeing communities that kick them out.

    You don’t need to argue or make a fuss, but make sure to downvote anyone who doesn’t believe all people are born equal and that people have a right to choose what to do and who to love.

    • darcranium123@lemmy.world
      31·
      5 hours ago

      On top of that, I think we should be clear about what we don’t like. Right wing isn’t itself evil, but low rung right wing ideology will send us back to the dark ages. As would low rung left wing ideology. We must strive to be better, entertaining only high rung ideas in conversation, in order to elevate our collective understanding

    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
      725·
      14 hours ago

      People downvote me all the time and I just think “well they’re wrong, I’ve laid out my argument and they can’t refute it”. So I imagine Nazis feel the same way when you downvote them.

      Edit: case in point

      • drhodl@lemmy.world
        41·
        10 hours ago

        Maybe, I dunno… some self reflection to understand WHY people downvote you all the time, might improve something about you?

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
        243·
        23 hours ago

        Imagine being able to justify yourself by finding commonality with Nazis.

        • SavageCreation@lemmy.world
          5·
          17 hours ago

          He means that the nazis wont give a samb about the downvotes and that it would be better to be clear to their faces.

        • TheFonz@lemmy.world
          71·
          19 hours ago

          That’s… not what they are saying. They are critiquing the strategy. If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.

          I don’t understand why so many struggle with addressing the message and are so eager to shoot the messenger. It’s weird but really common on Lemmy.

            • TheFonz@lemmy.world
              32·
              10 hours ago

              I don’t even know what your point is.

              There is no deep philosophy or logical argumentation going on here.

              All we’re telling you is someone pointed out why the strategy doesn’t work to change minds and the only thing you can come up with is “hurr durr nazi”.

              You have some growing to do it seems.

              • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                7 hours ago

                I don’t even know what your point is.

                Okay, let me try and help. You said this:

                If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.

                Now, we’re going to count many examples you used to illustrate your point:

                I counted one, and this was it right here:

                If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.

                Using a single example to make a point of comparison is dumb. Because one could just as easily say that I breathe air, and similarly, so do hamsters, therefore- I must be a hamster.

                Demonstrably, this is untrue. And it’s a dumb argument to make. And it’s not the argument I made. I simply said that calling upon a similarity shared with Nazis isn’t going to make the point one would probably wish to make.

                (And the plural of Nazi is “Nazis.” Don’t be afraid to spell their name correctly. It’s not for the purpose of showing respect to them, it’s showing respect to the person that has to read what you’re saying)

                • TheFonz@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  2 hours ago

                  You’re really hung up on the debate bro argumentation and seem to be intentionally missing the point everyone is trying to convey to you.

                  Get over yourself man. No one is giving you a hand job for your superior intellectual acumen.

          • Krauerking@lemy.lol
            2·
            18 hours ago

            We aren’t allowed to critique strategy or work together to better ourselves or our plans with outside views that allow us to see and adjust to match an ever changing world…

            That would be so bad for my social media feed. The algorithm would have to completely relearn what I like and that would be a hassle.

        • Squorlple@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          10·
          2 days ago

          Let’s take a look at HC’s local front page right now:

          • First post is pro-Elon, uses “woke” as a derogatory term

          • Second post is anti-science transphobia

          • Third post is the same story as the first post, says a “hate crime” was committed by the “woke” person, article is on Breitbart [EDIT: fixed a typo I made here]

          • Fourth post is ok, fairly normal, but posted by an avid poster for the site named Donald Musk

          • Fifth post follows the suit of the fourth post

          • Sixth post is transphobia for sports, article is on Breitbart

          • Seventh post follows the suit of the fourth and fifth post

          • Eighth post is by a news bot, headline says Israel is gonna keep doing what they do

          • Ninth post is ok, just a banal joke

          • Tenth post paints Tesla as a victim of violence, article is on Breitbart

          • Eleventh post is saying most voters prefer moderate Democrats over “radical” AOC & Sanders, article is on Breitbart

          • Twelfth post is anti-science transphobia

          • Thirteenth post is by a news bot about Canada’s Carney’s plan (I don’t know enough about Canada’s politics to know where this guy stands on things)

          • Fourteenth post is by a news bot about Anti-Trump rallies, headline seems politically neutral

          • Fifteenth post is anti-science, pro-Trump, COVID conspiracy theories, article is on Breitbart

          • Sixteenth post is ok, just a joke

          • Seventeenth post is by an admin trying to save face by soliciting mods for a token leftwing community on their site, the only volunteer is one of the above posters of anti-science transphobia

          • Eighteenth post is in German about some technology?

          • Nineteenth post is by news bot about US attacking Yemen

        • felsiq@lemmy.zip
          2·
          2 days ago

          I’ve been completely unable to tell if they’re right wing or just a bunch of edgy 14 year olds, and I’ve been kinda reluctant to block them till I figure out which

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        0·
        2 days ago

        The first “couple”? I see the porn subs that we defederate because the admin doesn’t want to risk legal liability. There’s the one tanky instance that they defederated before later deciding not to defederate tanky instances. There’s the spam Reddit resharing instance. There’s the two instances mentioned in this LW post, which seems to indicate it’s about illegal content, not political alignment. That just leaves exploding heads, which was right-wing, but gave up hosting at all after everyone defedded them, and hilariouschaos.com. That one, I don’t know, so I’ll take your word that it’s right-wing. But that only leaves one, not a couple.

        • Squorlple@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          21·
          2 days ago

          EH & HC (considered by many to be EH under a new name) are the two I was referring to. Tanky subs were an afterthought on my part.

  • KMAMURI@lemmy.world
    71·
    2 days ago

    I couldn’t take it anymore. I’ve had this alt for so many days now. I just got banned from a bunch of heir drumpfkins fluffer conservative communities today. I needed some entertainment to lift my spirits.

    I watched a documentary about their ancestors while I commented freely. It’s called Deliverance. You should check it out.

  • TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml
    32·
    2 days ago

    I do think anyone on Lemmy is probably smarter than anyone on Reddit. I was browsing a conservative sub today and while they were very few comments, most of them disagreed with the general direction of the Trump administration.

    • besselj@lemmy.ca
      5·
      2 days ago

      I don’t think user intelligence has as much to to with it as foreign interference and astroturfing campaigns, since its a larger platform

      • WetBeardHairs@lemmy.world
        3·
        5 hours ago

        r/conservative is also notorious for shadow banning and banning anyone who expresses wrongthink. They’ve only got a few hundred real posters left. Everyone else is a bot or paid troll.

  • brown_guy@lemm.ee
    29·
    20 hours ago

    I’m a centrist. Am I allowed anywhere in this cruel world?

    Edit- What’s the downvotes for?

      • brown_guy@lemm.ee
        37·
        2 days ago

        When I say I’m a centrist that means for some stuff I’m liberal and for other I’m conservative

        Centrist isn’t someone who is not into politics. They classify themselves as “non politicals”

        You got the difference?

        • Monstrosity@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          2 days ago

          It means your convictions are meaningless & you will become a tool of the Fascists eventually.

          • brown_guy@lemm.ee
            111·
            2 hours ago

            I’m from india so I can tell my perspective only for my country

            I want

            1. the affirmative actions to be removed,
            2. laws to be made gender neutral,
            3. freebies to be removed (which is given to the uneducated low earning people because they are the votebank),
            4. to increase the funds in higher education govt institutions,
            5. DEI should be removed from job hirings,
            6. and there should be a test for civic sense for the ones who are applying for passport in india

            Edit - Damn!! People are even downvoting this

              • brown_guy@lemm.ee
                1·
                2 hours ago

                I didn’t know my caste until I was 16 because in cities that shit doesn’t exist

                I’m kayastha. The community which never followed caste system in the 1900s… but now I have face affirmative actions because my ancestors were rich in general and had an history of being jamindars (land owners)

                • andros_rex@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  2 hours ago

                  Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege? Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?

            • dan00@lemm.ee
              81·
              1 day ago

              I have bad news for you brown guy, you are a middle ground between conservatives and fascists. Almost all of your takes are aggressive and repressive. People don’t work like that, we are all different and we should account for all diversity. You think “uneducated low earning people” should not get free shit but because they can be bribed. So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them? Why are they desperate? You remove the freebies but you keep the poverty.

              You can step into fascism when you realise that “removing DEI” it’s a lot of bureaucracy and wasted time. Bullets are much cheaper.

              • brown_guy@lemm.ee
                06·
                1 day ago

                I know it’s a mixed side. But I’m definitely not a fascist nor do I support fascism

                So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them?

                I don’t know if you don’t understand the situation but in india shit is complex. There have been interviews of people living in slums, they say they are making more children to get a little more money from the govt (from the scheme which was made for educational purposes of lower income households), some of them are regularly caught to be begging instead of doing some work (specially the ones who are fully fit and fine).

                You know why it’s like that? Because most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.

                The govt doesn’t even care about the poor and handicapped people tbh, because they get less seats from the affirmative actions. The so called oppressed groups “STs/SCs” get it.

                Recently I gave an exam, the cutoff for general category is 94%ile but for ST it is 49%ile. Just look at the difference

                That’s why affirmative actions should be income based only for the ones who are in the BPL (below poverty line) list

                • dan00@lemm.ee
                  5·
                  22 hours ago

                  I have some very superficial knowledge of Indian system casts etc… but regardless, people are people, fundamentally they act the same.

                  most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.

                  Let’s start from here: they don’t want anything else. Are you sure? Would you believe in a system where you are confined in your cast (or for any other countries, general poverty), where you need to slave just to survive? If you live in a slum, yes your first issue is bread, second issue is bread tomorrow. You are not drinking grass smoothies dreaming a lambo. Why? Because you know, you see it everyday, that no matter what you do the probability are against you.

                  So why anyone living in a slum would even try to game the system? “Nobody expects me to make it… why not make as many kids as possible and get the money, at least my first son will survive. “

                  We need to stop thinking about people in terms of good vs. evil. We are surviving machines, we do what profit us and make us last long, good or bad doesn’t matter. Governments should account for that and give everyone the same OPPORTUNITIES and bridge differences with empathy and understanding.

                  Talk to homeless people, listen to their stories. You will realise it’s an unlucky, unsupported, discarded version of you.

            • Novocirab@feddit.orgEnglish
              4·
              1 day ago

              As I understand you, you’re in favor of abolishing quotas for SC/ST persons, for example. In view of the large and rising income inequality and wealth inequality across the Indian population (stats), would you be open to an ambitious ‘caste-blind’ social security system, financed by taxing the rich? Or to income-based educational support programs?

              • nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                2·
                18 hours ago

                For some context, I am from India too, and even rabid right wingers in my family (mostly men, for obvious reasons) don’t have a problem with reservations. The only people who tend to have a problem with those are upper caste people, who are about 30% of the population. This is a truly elitist position. I have faced casteism even in one of the most urban, educated and wealthy cities in India where I lived for a while (Bangalore) and I am not even a Dalit (the ‘untouchables’, i.e., SC/ST people). This is a hilariously out of touch position in real life, it’s more common on the internet because of the dominance of UCs and their generational privilege.

              • brown_guy@lemm.ee
                07·
                1 day ago

                What’s caste blind social security system?

                There should income based affirmative actions, for the ones who comes in BPL (below poverty line) list and for the specially abled people

                If more than half a century of affirmative actions wasn’t able to give jobs to certain communities, then it’s a skill issue not a society issue

                Casteism doesn’t exists except in some villages, left extremists would say otherwise

                • Novocirab@feddit.orgEnglish
                  1·
                  17 hours ago

                  What’s caste blind social security system?

                  I am thinking of a social security system (or welfare system, or redistribution scheme, or tax scheme) which does not take caste into consideration, but only factors such as income, wealth, parental income and wealth, illnesses and disabilities, …

                  In Europe and other Western countries, discontent about immigrants (and their descendants) is on the rise because people who struggle give them the blame for their own hardships, and a lot of politicians gain power by appealing to these sentiments, yet the policies that they then enact just make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.

                  Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?

    • qyron@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      2 days ago

      Balancing on the knife’s edge is always a dangerous act.

      Share your thoughts, be cordial, question politely, answer in kind.

      • brown_guy@lemm.ee
        05·
        2 days ago

        I always answer politely unless the other person fcs around

        Still you’ll targetted everywhere id you’re a centrist. Just look at the down votes😂